Or so I was told in a comment recently. What follows is a version of my reply to the person informing me of this fact.
Seriously, why? How is that? Do we really know that nothing else is capable of creating a universe? Has anyone ever offered proof that even hints at that? Certainly not to the standards of any other type of claim to knowledge. If someone had have, then you can bet we'd know their name. They'd be known as the most insightful person, and the greatest scientist, to have ever lived.
And there’s that singular “god” again. The universe would have to come from just one God? Why? Why can't the universe have been created by two gods, or fourteen gods? Why not? Is there any evidence that only one god made the universe (keeping in mind that Occam’s Razor is not considered “proof”)?
How do you know that a god that created a universe would be all-powerful? Just because it made a universe doesn't mean that there are things that it can't do. Certainly, you haven't demonstrated as much anyway, only asserted it. In fact I can't even imagine how that would even BE demonstrated. If you can't either, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you can't, then why are you just asserting it? By doing so you seem to be suggesting that I ought to just accept the assertion uncritically.
Same goes for the "all-knowing" bit. Why? Why couldn't there be things that a universe-creating god didn't know? I’m serious. Why?
Have you even entertained the thought that a universe could be created by a god who wasn't sure how he'd done it?
I create Keynote presentations almost every day without knowing shit about my computer's CPU or the language of the operating system. Is there any proof anywhere that the being that created the universe, if it was a being, (if it was a single being), was not in fact creating something using a "programming language” and hardware, so-to-speak, that someone else had engineered?
No? Then why assume it if it can’t be proven to even the slightest extent?
One might actually look at the universe and conclude, given the incredible inefficiency and redundancy that's apparent all over the place, that it was a bit of a botched job, perhaps carried out by an underling, or a bit of a hack. There doesn't seem to be any way to know from our perspective, though.
But why assume anything even remotely along the lines of what you're just claiming out of thin air here?
Eternal? Why? Why couldn't the universe have been created by a being who could create it, and then die? No, seriously. Why not? Seriously.
You seem to think that this is an impossibility. Why? Because whatever is outside this universe is outside of time itself?
Is it? Got any proof of that? Is there any reason to believe that? Is there any evidence supporting that claim?
If not, why just assume it? Why ask ME to just assume it? I don’t just accept wild fantasy claims.
Perhaps this universe's creator died. Maybe that's why prayer is such a pathetically hit-and-miss affair, and ‘God’ does fuck all except what charlatans like to claim he can do through them, such as make the odd leg a bit longer, and heal diseases that can, in the absence of prayer, heal themselves too (and do).
The fact that you just assume all of this incredible knowledge about the only available candidate for the creative force behind the universe really suggests that you haven't questioned any of it. You've just been spoon-fed it, and now you’re regurgitating it onto the internet. You’re the uncritical vehicle by which a stupid, ill-conceived idea gets to spread on to other uncritical vehicles that will spread it further.
Can’t you honestly, within yourself, admit that just like me, you haven't actually got a fucking clue about how the universe came into being?
Take that step, my friend. Step into the light of not lying to yourself about what you can and can't know about matters that are most likely going to baffle scientists for a hell of a lot longer yet.
Seriously, why? How is that? Do we really know that nothing else is capable of creating a universe? Has anyone ever offered proof that even hints at that? Certainly not to the standards of any other type of claim to knowledge. If someone had have, then you can bet we'd know their name. They'd be known as the most insightful person, and the greatest scientist, to have ever lived.
And there’s that singular “god” again. The universe would have to come from just one God? Why? Why can't the universe have been created by two gods, or fourteen gods? Why not? Is there any evidence that only one god made the universe (keeping in mind that Occam’s Razor is not considered “proof”)?
How do you know that a god that created a universe would be all-powerful? Just because it made a universe doesn't mean that there are things that it can't do. Certainly, you haven't demonstrated as much anyway, only asserted it. In fact I can't even imagine how that would even BE demonstrated. If you can't either, and I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you can't, then why are you just asserting it? By doing so you seem to be suggesting that I ought to just accept the assertion uncritically.
Same goes for the "all-knowing" bit. Why? Why couldn't there be things that a universe-creating god didn't know? I’m serious. Why?
Have you even entertained the thought that a universe could be created by a god who wasn't sure how he'd done it?
I create Keynote presentations almost every day without knowing shit about my computer's CPU or the language of the operating system. Is there any proof anywhere that the being that created the universe, if it was a being, (if it was a single being), was not in fact creating something using a "programming language” and hardware, so-to-speak, that someone else had engineered?
No? Then why assume it if it can’t be proven to even the slightest extent?
One might actually look at the universe and conclude, given the incredible inefficiency and redundancy that's apparent all over the place, that it was a bit of a botched job, perhaps carried out by an underling, or a bit of a hack. There doesn't seem to be any way to know from our perspective, though.
But why assume anything even remotely along the lines of what you're just claiming out of thin air here?
Eternal? Why? Why couldn't the universe have been created by a being who could create it, and then die? No, seriously. Why not? Seriously.
You seem to think that this is an impossibility. Why? Because whatever is outside this universe is outside of time itself?
Is it? Got any proof of that? Is there any reason to believe that? Is there any evidence supporting that claim?
If not, why just assume it? Why ask ME to just assume it? I don’t just accept wild fantasy claims.
Perhaps this universe's creator died. Maybe that's why prayer is such a pathetically hit-and-miss affair, and ‘God’ does fuck all except what charlatans like to claim he can do through them, such as make the odd leg a bit longer, and heal diseases that can, in the absence of prayer, heal themselves too (and do).
The fact that you just assume all of this incredible knowledge about the only available candidate for the creative force behind the universe really suggests that you haven't questioned any of it. You've just been spoon-fed it, and now you’re regurgitating it onto the internet. You’re the uncritical vehicle by which a stupid, ill-conceived idea gets to spread on to other uncritical vehicles that will spread it further.
Can’t you honestly, within yourself, admit that just like me, you haven't actually got a fucking clue about how the universe came into being?
Take that step, my friend. Step into the light of not lying to yourself about what you can and can't know about matters that are most likely going to baffle scientists for a hell of a lot longer yet.
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